Tend to agree with you mate. With regards to the subs, it was almost too late for him to make the changes because the goals went in so quickly. Nothing about Minteh’s goal suggested that Udogie and VDV would mess up for Rutter’s and if Ange hauls Udogie off right after the second, he’s heading towards Conte territory.
I was wound up at the time but I’m now more of the mindset that the players were knackered and switched off in the second half and Ange almost didn’t want to save them from themselves because it’s a better learning curve to suffer the loss and *really* learn what it takes to match his “we don’t stop” mantra. Hopefully it works.
It’s easy to miss in the heat of the moment I think, but after they scored the first I absolutely didn’t see the collapse coming and figured we’d go and score another goal right away.
The sense of collapse only kicked in when they equalised and maybe you could argue Ange should’ve shored up with Bissouma or Sarr at that point, but again by doing that he’s basically saying “we are in trouble here” which could well give them more momentum.
Basically it feels like he’s still learning a lot about the squad and which players he can trust to handle the workload, and based on that game there’s still that fragility he spoke about last May.
People act as if Ange is a 32 year old rookie which clearly isn’t the case. Even if he hasn’t managed at PL level before he’s probably forgotten more about the game than most of us know. It’s just about being patient and trusting the guy. The issue is the patience in the fanbase is non existent due stuff that isn’t controlled by Ange and is more affected by Levy. If people can learn to ignore that noise, it becomes a lot less stressful and the sense of a proper rebuild becomes more apparent.
For me, the key point in this is that I think the drop off is not accidental but managed. That is, I think Postecoglu (like other managers) directs it. Indeed, I increasingly see matches through a lens of who is expending energy when. So I think this was a tactical clanger by him and the lesson is that we should bring on the shoring up subs at the same time as the rest of the team takes a breather.
Watching it, I immediately noticed the drop in intensity. Thinking of Nathan’s point, which I’ve heard before, I thought, “They’re taking their breather early.”
I'm going to disagree with tactics not being part of the equation. Porro had his hand full because he was dealing with Mitouma as evident in the first half. This was compounded by Brennan Johnson's refusal to pick up Estupinan who was more aggressive than Kadioglu. Was Johnson tired? Maybe, But he clearly failed to do his job. Porro and Johnson not communicating with each other is the meain reason. Chuck in James Maddison refusal to pick up his man and you have a second half capitulation.
Tend to agree with you mate. With regards to the subs, it was almost too late for him to make the changes because the goals went in so quickly. Nothing about Minteh’s goal suggested that Udogie and VDV would mess up for Rutter’s and if Ange hauls Udogie off right after the second, he’s heading towards Conte territory.
I was wound up at the time but I’m now more of the mindset that the players were knackered and switched off in the second half and Ange almost didn’t want to save them from themselves because it’s a better learning curve to suffer the loss and *really* learn what it takes to match his “we don’t stop” mantra. Hopefully it works.
You make a really good point about the timing of the goals.
It’s easy to miss in the heat of the moment I think, but after they scored the first I absolutely didn’t see the collapse coming and figured we’d go and score another goal right away.
The sense of collapse only kicked in when they equalised and maybe you could argue Ange should’ve shored up with Bissouma or Sarr at that point, but again by doing that he’s basically saying “we are in trouble here” which could well give them more momentum.
Basically it feels like he’s still learning a lot about the squad and which players he can trust to handle the workload, and based on that game there’s still that fragility he spoke about last May.
People act as if Ange is a 32 year old rookie which clearly isn’t the case. Even if he hasn’t managed at PL level before he’s probably forgotten more about the game than most of us know. It’s just about being patient and trusting the guy. The issue is the patience in the fanbase is non existent due stuff that isn’t controlled by Ange and is more affected by Levy. If people can learn to ignore that noise, it becomes a lot less stressful and the sense of a proper rebuild becomes more apparent.
For me, the key point in this is that I think the drop off is not accidental but managed. That is, I think Postecoglu (like other managers) directs it. Indeed, I increasingly see matches through a lens of who is expending energy when. So I think this was a tactical clanger by him and the lesson is that we should bring on the shoring up subs at the same time as the rest of the team takes a breather.
Watching it, I immediately noticed the drop in intensity. Thinking of Nathan’s point, which I’ve heard before, I thought, “They’re taking their breather early.”
I'm going to disagree with tactics not being part of the equation. Porro had his hand full because he was dealing with Mitouma as evident in the first half. This was compounded by Brennan Johnson's refusal to pick up Estupinan who was more aggressive than Kadioglu. Was Johnson tired? Maybe, But he clearly failed to do his job. Porro and Johnson not communicating with each other is the meain reason. Chuck in James Maddison refusal to pick up his man and you have a second half capitulation.
This bloke breaks it down nicely https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1T5zvAybnLI&t=422s
The Wyscout data is telling and supports the point that most of our goals conceded happen late into the 2nd half
Definitely something to keep an eye on / that I hope the manager and fitness people are keeping an eye on.